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New Post 7/31/2007 8:21 AM
  Rip Rowan
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Choice of platform 

What audio application and computer platform do you use?  Why?  What do you like most and least about your choice?


Rip Rowan - ProRec Editor-in-Chief
 
New Post 7/31/2007 8:59 AM
  jmarkham
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Re: Choice of platform 

Firstly, I think your summary of history of platforms is excellent. We're a small project
studio, so there is an aspect of platform support that my be important to some.

We transitioned from ADATs to hard disc recording by picking the "best" app we could
at the time. Given the features, audio pipeline and cost, Sonar on a PC gave us the
best bang-for-the-buck. Or so we thought.

 

While we got business using this configuration and still do today, we were locked out
of a much larger stream of business that only exists if you have Protools on a Mac.
We invested in a PT HD3 Mac system and that system has paid for itself. The initial startup
costs are high .. and the overall cost-of-ownership is higher; but, the amount of business
we can both as a tracking house and a post assembly facility more than offsets that
cost.

I don't mean to suggest that all one has to do is get an HD system and a Mac and business
will magically appear .. the number of panic eBay sales of HD systems shows that this
doesn't happen. But, if the business is there, then you can get a part of it using the standard
platform.

I don't want to impune any artist or band for choosing whatever platform they wish to record their
own material or release their own CDs/DVDs, etc. There are several DAWs (Sonar, Nuendo,
Reaper, Logic, etc. ) that are (in some areas) technically superior to Protools. But, when
you want to swim with the bigger fishes, you will be limited in what you can do by straying
from what the industry rides upon.

I don't want to slam Protools either .. it's a fantastic audio editor and I think the TDM system
sounds fantastic. It's just really freaking expensive.

Who knows? Maybe the collapse of the label structure will give rise to a whole new set of
standards. But today, I am glad I don't have to walk another Protools mixing engineer through
the steps of reading my OMF or AAF or reading in Broadcast wave files, etc. .. it's now

"I put the session on my iDisk ... call me if you have any problems."

 

J. markham
Sunnyvale, CA

 
New Post 7/31/2007 4:10 PM
  Rip Rowan
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Re: Choice of platform 

This is a good story.  I'm glad you were able to increase your business in this way.

As for me & my studio - pretty much all of our work is end-to-end music production from pre-pro to final mix.  A fraction is mixing work for projects done at other studios.  So, since starting the new studio, I have never bumped into a situation where I needed to directly work with a ProTools system, or hand off a mix to a ProTools engineer.

Different folks, different strokes.


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New Post 8/1/2007 8:33 AM
  SteveD
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Re: Choice of platform 

I've got Pro Tools, Nuendo, Reaper, and SONAR in my studio.  I prefer SONAR.  Just works for me.

I supply drum tracks over the Internet to other studios (large and small) in the form of timestamped Broadcast Wav Files, and there is never an issue when dealing with large studios using a Pro Tools TDM system on a MAC.

In fact, I've done MANY projects with the above post (jmarkham) that way with stellar results and no way to tell which tracks were done in PT and which were done in SONAR.

Maybe when I run out of more important things to spend my money on, I'll end up on a PT TDM system on a MAC.  I can see why one would make that choice in order to be perceived as a respected player in the audio industry.

BTW... jmarkham is in fact one of those respected players in the industry. ;)


SteveD - DAWPRO Studios - Addicted to Gear
 
New Post 8/6/2007 12:04 PM
  darjama
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Re: Choice of platform 

I'm a PC guy, I just can't wrap my head around the Mac interface. Every time I use one, I feel like a have to slow my brain down to do so. Can't say that I have any love for Vista, but Windows XP is stable and streamlined for my workstyle.

I started seriously recording with Vegas, but as that became more video and less audio oriented, I switched to Samplitude. Samplitude's great, but they seem to have hit a wall with their current release in how they handle multiple cores, so I'm sitting at V8. I've been using Reaper a good bit, though there are times when I need Samplitude's ability to effect objects individually (though word on the street has it that this feature is soon coming to Reaper), the integrated basic effects in the mixer,  high quality pitch and speed manipulation, as well as other really nice sounding built ineffects.

 
New Post 8/7/2007 4:01 PM
  Rip Rowan
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Reaper 

A lot of people have mentioned Reaper to me, so I checked it out.  It still feels a little "unfinished" but I have to admit it's a really decent tool, ridiculously so, considering it's shareware.  What are your Top 10 likes and dislikes about Reaper, given that you've been using it a while.


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New Post 8/8/2007 7:57 AM
  David Abraham
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Re: Choice of platform 

I'm primarily on PT LE/iMAC.   I find PT LE does 99% of what I need a DAW to do, most of my productions (urban pop)  are softsynth driven and these are hosted nicely in PTLE.   The Core 2 Duo chips in the iMac have proved more than adequate for running all the plugs I need in real time.    Very close to nirvana.

I've found  OSX and Apple's creative ecosystem to be much easier to work with for my operation..even after 15 years of being a Windows/PC diehard.

(btw: I like this new version of the site)

 

 

 


-david abraham
 
New Post 8/9/2007 10:13 PM
  Qwezi Rider
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Re: Choice of platform 

Logic 5.5.1 on an XP machine for me.  Until I run into a compelling reason to go on something else, this has served me more than well.

 
New Post 8/10/2007 9:00 AM
  miroslav
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Re: Choice of platform 
I'm running Samplitude 7.23 on an older dual-processor 933 P3 with a 1GB ram and W2K.
I have (4) 72GB SCSI drives internally, and another (4) 72GB drives in an external SCSI box...plus a 160 GB USB Lacie drive.
Finished that off with dual CDROM burners and an external Sony DVD +/- R/RW USB burner....and I use a dual-head Matrox AGP to drive my twp 19" LCD monitrs.
I use (3) Layla24 boxes for a total of 24 A/D/A channels.
I only edit and comp in the DAW. I'm still tracking to tape...and then mixing OTB from the DAW to and analog console.
 

miroslav
 
New Post 8/31/2007 10:10 AM
  studio troll
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Re: Choice of platform 

Has anybody tried Cubase 4?  I'm curious what people think of Steinberg since they changed owners a couple of times, and if it's still the workhorse that it used to be. Has anyone had good or bad experiences with Cubase or Nuendo in the last couple of years?

I've been a Cakewalk/Sonar user for a number of years. I like its production capabilities. I started editing on SAW (mid-nineties), and I own SAW Studio. Now that it includes some form of input monitoring, I'm going to try to track with it. I have a documentary film project, and I'm going to mix it in surround w/ SAW. I also have an older version of Nuendo, and I'm trying to decide if I should upgrade to v3.

 
New Post 9/2/2007 4:53 AM
  Bill Park
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Re: Choice of platform 

 studio troll wrote

 I started editing on SAW (mid-nineties), and I own SAW Studio..

 

My suggestion?  Pick a software and stick with it.  All of the products that you mention are capable.  I've been a SAW user since the begining, and I have not found a software that is more stable.  In terms of tracking, it is probably the best that I've used, and I've used most of what is available at one time or another.  Currently I use Sequoia for most tasks, because Sequoia has a very complete set of audio tools, wherein SAW is more limited.  Someone with a more MIDI-oriented view might prefer something else, and a looper would like something else.  But for straight audio I find Sequoia and SAW to be the two front-runners.

 

  Bill

 
New Post 9/3/2007 10:13 PM
  FFPS
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Re: Choice of platform 
First post, yeeha!

I began working with multi-track audio recording using Cakewalk from day one (back in '99, or thereabouts), and have stuck with it since. Right now I'm actually at college learning Pro Tools LE (HD next year) for the "industry standard" factor, but probably wouldn't use it for personal projects.
 
New Post 9/4/2007 10:17 AM
  apl
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Re: Choice of platform 

XP Pro and Cubase LE.  I'll probably upgrade the Cubase when I get either a Firepod or TASCAM FW-1804.  I use it because that's what I started with and I don't want to learn new software.

 
New Post 11/30/2007 1:11 PM
  Topslakr
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Re: Choice of platform 

I'm running Protools LE 7.4 on a Dual Dual-Core 2.66Ghz Mac Pro with 3GB of RAM. My studio isn't large enough right now to support me so I work a day job as a Windows admin for 750+ users and dozens of servers but all of my personal machines are Macs. I've tried to use XP as the base of my Protools rig but had a lot of performance and stability issues. It was a digi-approved computer but the money I saved on it did not out weigh the simplicity and stability I get from my Mac Pro. It's my personal preferance and I've never been happier in the studio since I did it. I look back at the year I spent fighting with the PC and can't believe I didn't do it sooner.

As far as my choice of protools? I'm very happy with the software in all respects excpet for MIDI, it's getting better but it's not great. Fortunatly I don't get much call for a lot of MIDI but when I do it certainly adds to the work load. For me Protools works the way I think. The protools mixer, in my mind, is laid out very closely to a hardware mixer. I like the way it gives me channel strips and I like being able to add 'small' faders to my aux sends. It makes it much faster for me to visualize what is happening.

I also use a fair bit of outboard gear and an 8 track 1/2 tape machine. Other DAWs probably do this now too, I've not been DAW shopping in a while, but being able to use hardware inserts and quickly sync my rig to tape keeps my options open. Once you find a DAW that works you stick with it, I agree with Bill.

I've been enjoying reading about everyone elses setups. It's interesting to see how people look at things. I appreciate the mentality here that you don't have to have the top of the line everything to make good music. You gear is what you make of it and getting the core of your setup just right is much more important that having X piece of gear... at least in my book!

 

Robert

 
New Post 12/5/2007 6:39 PM
  Gabealicious
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Re: Choice of platform 

I notice a lot less 'it's PT or it's garbage' than I expected!  And I found that very refreshing!

I'm working at a fairly new studio, but I've been recording for a long time, and entered the digital world in it's early days (approximately 1998). 

My brother and I bought Cubase 3.5, after careful research of the info available.  I have been with Steinberg since, and they have not let me down in any way.  I'm using Nuendo now, although Cubase SX3 is nearly identical in all ways.  We have a PT7 HD2 rig, and while I love the interfaces, I cannot seem to generate much love for Pro Tools itself.  I feel like everything i want to do takes 3 times as long as it would in Nuendo.  Setting up sends and groups, for example ... A single menu item and quick dialog in Nuendo and you're there.  Pro Tools makes me feel like I'm patching everything by hand.  Yes yes, I could set up macros I suppose ... But there are very common tasks.  Could they not be built-in?  IMHO, for the money you pay for Digi products, they should be far-and-away the best DAW available, and everyone else should be trying to catch up.  That is definitely not the case.

I'm not going to bash PT too much, because I know so many people swear by it.  It is, undeniably, the industry standard.  But Nuendo/Cubase is home, and while I do work in PT a bit, I'm always wishing it was Nuendo, and constantly missing many features.

If there's anyone who does a lot of drum programming -- And I do mean programming, not sticking canned loops together -- Nothing in Pro Tools comes close to the drum editor in Nuendo.  I cannot even imagine trying to do drum programming in the (at least to my eyes) a rudimentary MIDI implementation in PT.  Not to mention that setting up my drum software (DFHS) take 10x as long in PT as in Nuendo (again, the hand-patching feeling).

I will hand it to Pro Tools in one very important arena: PT seems to handle small-buffer low-latency tracking considerably better than Nuendo.  With my system, that's no surprise, as I am using two Digi 96's for both Nu and PT.  So I will nearly always track live drums in PT and export for dubs and mixing in Nuendo.  That may seem bizarre to some, but it works very well for me.

All that said, Cubase/Nuendo and Pro Tools are really the only two DAWs I've spent much time with, so I cannot and will not comment on other software.

Oh yeah ... I have always run PCs, and while we have a Mac Pro Quad 2.66 in the studio ... ... Yeah, it's running Win XP.  It's what I know, it's what I like.

As has been said many times here, "If it sounds right ... It's right."  I dunno for sure who coined that, but it's true, and it's one I live by.  If your gear works for you and you like how it sounds, then you're golden.

 
New Post 12/6/2007 8:27 AM
  Chris Scheidies
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Re: Choice of platform 
My main apps are Reason, Logic 8, Pro tools on the Mac. Of course I have a Gigastudio PC and a Linux box with ardour. :)
 
New Post 12/23/2007 6:32 AM
  Fil
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Re: Choice of platform 

I've been doing music in DAW since 12 years and I was a die-hard PC guy. The better advice I can give is do not use the music computer for non-musicd production stuff. Forget putting games, Itunes, internet accesses (barely impossible I know...) on the same PC you use for music.

Last year I've done a big sessions with my 7-years old PC with Nuendo1 and an RME card. This thing never crashed without reason (mostly wordclock issue or adat sync issue). I have win XP plus Nuendo plus Wavelab. Point. Nothing else and I worked like a charm. I turned to mac with PTLE (digi003) this year because my PC harware went wrong. For the comparison, I had much more problems running PTLE on a brand new mac than on my old PC with Nuendo....

Please keep you DAW configuration simple as possible. And that works better.

Best + Merry Christmas to all of you ! Fil

 
New Post 12/24/2007 9:11 AM
  Chris Scheidies
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Re: Choice of platform 
Ya it seems like PTLE can give a person fits. For my job I have to know Pro tools and the HD/Icon stuff is super cool. But at home I am on Logic 8 most of the time.
 
New Post 12/29/2007 3:18 PM
  Rip Rowan
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Re: Choice of platform 

"The better advice I can give is do not use the music computer for non-musicd production stuff."
That's the best advise there is.  One problem with using an off-the-shelf computer for music is that computers these days tend to come with a lot of crap pre-installed.  Antivirus, spyware protection, trialware, diagnostic apps, etc. etc..  This includes Macs.  So if you get a Mac for music production, you need to start by ensuring that there aren't a lot of background apps running.

A clean computer is a happy computer.


Rip Rowan - ProRec Editor-in-Chief
 
New Post 6/22/2008 1:14 PM
  d
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Re: Choice of platform 

My first computer recording experiences involved using a really old version of Cakewalk (3 or 5 maybe) running on a 386 (with Windows 3.1!) to drive a drum machine while recording on a 4-track casette deck (and, briefly, a Tascam 388). My earliest experiences DAWing it were with an earlier version of Cakewalk Pro Audio, and I've used Cakewalk 8 and 9, and now I use SONAR 4 (on a 2.8 GHz P4 running XP). I find SONAR very natural and easy to work with (in no small part, I'm sure, because I've been using Cakewalk-style stuff for so long), it's never caused me any problems, and I really have no desire to use anything else.

As far as using your DAW for audio only, that's good advice, but I've succumbed to web surfing, photoshopping, and I've even installed a few games on my machine and I've never had any problems. I'm smart about what I click on and download, and I have a separate drive of which I take good care that I use for ONLY digital audio. I think the key is to be careful and not balk at the prospect of reformating your system drive and reinstalling everything.

 
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